Old Ruminator, I don't feel you've really addressed the points I made in my post. Nor have you, mrdoc. Forgive me for being insistent, but given the effort I and others have put in here, which you suggest has been pointless, I'd appreciate it if you would. Starting with the total failure of anyone ever to raise these issues at BCA council meetings, and then to think it's fine to just dismiss the whole thing in such sweeping, derisive terms. Yes folks. You guessed right. I'm not fantastically happy about this.
One question that crossed my mind was why did mrodoc use Descent to publish his opinion rather than this forum? After all, he is a regular and well-respected member here.
I am saddened to see the article published without a right of reply, as this would have given more insight and even "fairness" to the article. It is NOT a waste of time and needs clarifying from the current ridiculous "limit of daylight."Perhaps if the NCA officer at the time of the CROW formulation had followed his mandate to INCLUDE caving, rather than do an about face and argue against it / do nothing we wouldnt be in this situation now.Sadly once again it seems the Medipians are trying to push their agenda on the rest of us...NOTE: This would only relate to CAVES and NOT mines
It was not ever envisaged that this would result in a free-for-all whereby all restrictions were lifted from all caves. It was always accepted that certain sensitive SSSI sites could legally be made exempt from open access but that the case would have to be made for each instance of this. The situation is different according to the local situation and landowner expectations and it would always be down to the regional conservation and access people to work out what would be the best way forward in specific instances.
I am sure the editor of Descent would welcome further opinions from others.
Is Descent there to serve cavers or itself?
Quote from: mrodoc on December 02, 2021, 06:49:23 pmI am sure the editor of Descent would welcome further opinions from others. Yes - I think he would. Despite Mr France's rather negative comments towards Descent, I would rather we did not introduce cancel culture into British caving and it's publishing outlets.
despite being a rather extreme opinion from a rather tiny group of people.
Quote from: 2xw on December 02, 2021, 08:24:51 pmdespite being a rather extreme opinion from a rather tiny group of people. Remind me again of the numbers that voted for and against CRoW....
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