(Incidentally, and off-topic – am I alone in thinking that all the flag-waving bullshit, the pure arrogance of 'God who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet' etc. is, to put it mildly, inappropriate in the UK of today?)
.. am I alone in thinking that all the flag-waving bullshit, the pure arrogance of 'God who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet' etc. is, to put it mildly, inappropriate in the UK of today?
So, sinker, what do you make of the following 5 words: 'GOD WHO MADE THEE MIGHTY'?I obviously don't know what the writer had in mind when he or she (probalby the former) wrote them, but the inference is that the British Empire was somehow ordained by god.If that's not arrogant bullshit, then what it it?
Yes; I read this just after reading about talk of gongs for some tennis player.Ponder on who the real heroes are.
The majority of those at the last night of the proms are not actual, or potential, national front members...
"the majority of those at the last night of the proms are not actual, or potential, national front members"
Come on guys - hand bags down - Sinker, as per your own words - "keep it on topic" or start a new one. Please stop rising to the bait. Calling people snowflakes is equally derogatory name calling. And I actually think MikeM was agreeing with you. Quote"the majority of those at the last night of the proms are not actual, or potential, national front members"
If you don't like flag waving, stay in the UK. Seriously. I have lived in European countries where you could be fined for not having a flag out on national day, and severe opprobrium otherwise. England is, by some distance, the least nationalist country in Europe. But not everyone knows that, and certain media like to allege the opposite - it's just crap.
I feel like I'm the "last man standing" on this....
There's some rather simplistic conclusions being made hereYES, I'M GENERALISING.about litter and national pride for example, which are about as unrelated as one could get. DISAGREE, ITS A PERFECT EXAMPLEI don't like nationalism and I don't leave litter. I don't really agree with the way the US does its business either. And I'm not remotely 'woke'. So it's a bit more complex than the cases laid out. AGREE, AGAIN I'M GENERALISINGIsn't it even possible that the social problems here are caused more by poor education and relative poverty than a lack of national pride? The poor parts of most places in the world are full of litter, whilst the rich ones aren't. YES, ITS A COMPLEX PROBLEMNowt do with national pride, just money.UNFORTUNATELY THE TWO OFTEN GO HAND IN HAND...I agree that we're probably the least nationalist (and racist) country in Europe, and I'm glad about that, and wouldn't want to live anywhere else as a result. But if I walked down the street seeing Union Jacks everywhere (or even worse, that bloody red cross), I would think the world had gone insane. Nationalism proposes that someone from a certain tribal group is 'better' than someone else from a different tribal group, when they're clearly not - they may have more money, but that's about it. AGREE; NATIONALISM IS ABOUT CELEBRATING AND PROMOTING WHAT YOU HAVE WHILST LOOKING DOWN ON OTHERS.nounnoun: nationalism; plural noun: nationalismsidentification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.WHAT I'M PREACHING IS PATRIOTISM WHICH IS SIMPLY CELEBRATING WHAT YOU HAVE.nounnoun: patriotismthe quality of being patriotic; devotion to and vigorous support for one's country.That's hardly good for the collective in the long term. The Scottish independence campaign, for example is a classic example of small-minded parochialism overriding common sense and economic stability. And it will create an equivalent English campaign of vehemence as its natural bedfellow. And we really don't need that.TOTALLY AGREE; I'M A PATRIOTIC WELSHMAN (PLEIDIOL WYF I'M GWLAD ) BUT THE LAST THING WALES OR SCOTLAND NEEDS IS INDEPENDANCE; IT WOULD PUT US BACK IN THE STONE AGE.We are also 'ruled' by a 'royal' family who seem to be pretty corrupt now, when examined with a clear head, and were always corrupt in the past. WE ARE NOT RULED BY THEM; THEY ARE FIGUREHEADS AND A HEAD OF STATE.The peoples of the world are ideally coming together to solve our collective problems better, not splitting apart into a million Trumptons.I do accept though that it was The Firebird Suite and not Rite of Spring
I hate the kind of fake patriotism that involves waving flags WHY IS IT FAKE? BECAUSE ITS A PLASTIC FLAG ON A PLASTIC STICK?and people feeling superior to those from other countries or races THAT'S NATIONALISM AND RACISM, NOT PATRIOTISM; REFER YOU TO MY RESPONSE TO PWHOLEwhile putting nothing back into their community or wider country. I also hate the way many British people behave in other countries. This actually makes me ashamed of being British or rather being associated with such people.NOT ALL BRITISH PEOPLE ARE LIKE THAT; YES IN BENIDORM I WOULD PROBABLY START SPEAKING NORWEGIAN, FRENCH OR WELSH TO AVOID ASSOCIATION If people are willing to contribute something positive to the community without financial reward or seeking recognition then that does make me feel proud. ME TOO I'm lucky enough to know people who do this and they seem to be able to do this without feeling smug or superior to others or waving flags.Perhaps citizenship should be earned by what you do for others rather than where you are born.OR WHAT YOU DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY? PATRIOTISM = CITIZENSHIP.
....it's just tradition....
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