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BCA Membership Surveys
« on: September 08, 2021, 01:03:11 pm »
https://british-caving.org.uk/bca-membership-surveys/

We’re conducting a short survey of the membership as things slowly return to normal post Covid in order to try and plan for the year ahead and followup on some questions previously asked. In addition to the general member survey (which you can still fill it in as a member of a club!) we have also written to all of our member clubs. If you haven’t recieved this then please email – we may not have an up to date email to contact your club.

Thanks for any time you can spare.

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Re: BCA Membership Surveys
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2021, 04:55:04 pm »
Well it was a very short survey.
It asked where I did most of my caving and completely ignored Gloucestershire where I do 99% of my caving.
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2021, 06:55:36 pm »
The aim is to try and make them less of a chore to trawl through and to the point.

As for Gloucestershire that was an oversight sorry  :spank:

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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2021, 08:06:25 pm »
The aim is to try and make them less of a chore to trawl through and to the point.

As for Gloucestershire that was an oversight sorry  :spank:

Last question is an intersesting one.
Biggest challenge to caving, post-Covid?

Personally I reckon the fears over socialising in pubs, cafes, friends houses etc before and after trips has hit the social side of our hobby; and I must admit that on cold, wet, dark Thursday evenings sometimes the post-caving kebab in your mate's house or pint of mild by the fire in the pub is at least 50% of the reason for forcing myself to turn out and turn up.

Its also hit my climbing, walking and social life in general.

Anyone agree?



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Re: BCA Membership Surveys
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2021, 08:48:54 pm »
Fortunately I go underground with the same people, so we are behaving exactly as we did pre-covid.

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Re: BCA Membership Surveys
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2021, 09:50:12 pm »
Anyone agree?

We normally dig too late to get to the pub, so can't comment too much, but had a great evening at the UBSS hut after digging last week, sitting around the fire with curry and a beer.

Last time we made it to the pub (with the exception of one person choosing wear a mask to the bar), it was like Covid never happened.  :)

Likewise when I've been for lunch with colleagues recently,  in both Bristol and Birmingham and also on a training course yesterday,  everyone was shaking hands and socialising just the way we used to.  :)

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Re: BCA Membership Surveys
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2021, 08:15:31 am »
Portland was overlooked too!  Accounts for more than 50 % of my caving and a lot more during covid.  Given both Forest of Dean and Portland were missed off the list I guess the first thing BCA needs to do is learn where the caves are!!   ;D

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« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2021, 08:30:05 am »
I believe quite a significant number of BCA members are only really interested in mines. This survey doesn't really seem to take that into consideration. That's a shame given that a fair bit of BCA income comes from those who aren't that interested in caves.

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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2021, 08:53:08 am »

Last question is an intersesting one.
Biggest challenge to caving, post-Covid?

Personally I reckon the fears over socialising in pubs...

Anyone agree?

We used to go to the pub after (digging) trips.  Covid stopped that and we've taken to bringing a bottle to drink post caving or extending our activities using the time we would have spent in the pub.  The former is cheaper the latter has been more productive.  No one is that bothered about going back to socialising with other cavers after being underground.  I guess we've become more insular as a consequence.

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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2021, 10:16:02 am »
As to what is restricting your caving at the moment, they seem to have missed an important point: 'lack of other cavers to cave with'.

Other than a few people who are happy to cave on their own, I need people to cave with and live too far away from any caving area to leave it to chance, hoping I can join a trip going from a club hut.
We must be willing to get rid of the life we've planned, so as to have the life waiting for us.

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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2021, 10:51:01 am »
Judi you and are indeed opposites, part of the obstacle to me returning caving is the fear of meeting other cavers at a tight spot   ;)

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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2021, 11:53:42 am »
I believe quite a significant number of BCA members are only really interested in mines. This survey doesn't really seem to take that into consideration. That's a shame given that a fair bit of BCA income comes from those who aren't that interested in caves.

That is a good point. I answered with respect to my caving, which is about 1 trip a year, which could be anywhere. Whereas my mine exploring is at least once a month, and usually in North Wales.

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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2021, 01:17:00 pm »
I believe quite a significant number of BCA members are only really interested in mines. This survey doesn't really seem to take that into consideration. That's a shame given that a fair bit of BCA income comes from those who aren't that interested in caves.
True. I have no interest in caves, I'm only interested in mines.
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Re: BCA Membership Surveys
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2021, 03:37:17 pm »
The aim is to try and make them less of a chore to trawl through and to the point.

As for Gloucestershire that was an oversight sorry  :spank:

Last question is an intersesting one.
Biggest challenge to caving, post-Covid?

Personally I reckon the fears over socialising in pubs, cafes, friends houses etc before and after trips has hit the social side of our hobby; and I must admit that on cold, wet, dark Thursday evenings sometimes the post-caving kebab in your mate's house or pint of mild by the fire in the pub is at least 50% of the reason for forcing myself to turn out and turn up.

Its also hit my climbing, walking and social life in general.

Anyone agree?





I agree Phil, I am now a LOT more out of puff walking up hills because of my COVID experiences which dont seem to have gone away yet , in fact I dont think they will . But having said that I don't worry about anything now   :thumbsup:
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Re: BCA Membership Surveys
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2021, 03:44:42 pm »
Just filled my form in and although I completed it it was a bit vague in a lot of questions , good point previously laid out, although we do cave we would always choose a good mine trip as we find the history much more interesting.

We personally drifted into caving many years ago from the cave/mine dive community which could have gone on the questions I think and a simple do you prefer mines or caves would have been a brilliant question.

Just my two penneth guys  ;)
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Re: BCA Membership Surveys
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2021, 03:48:59 pm »
As to what is restricting your caving at the moment, they seem to have missed an important point: 'lack of other cavers to cave with'.

Other than a few people who are happy to cave on their own, I need people to cave with and live too far away from any caving area to leave it to chance, hoping I can join a trip going from a club hut.

My mate lives in Brighton I dont think he could get any further away from caving and mine exploration, must admit although myself and wife mainly go together when we want to visit somewhere new its nice to have a guide to show us around ie adits and entrances , this is where it can get problematic getting people spare to do so   :down:
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2021, 04:43:06 pm »
Isn't that where this forum becomes especially useful?    ;)

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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2021, 04:48:29 pm »
Isn't that where this forum becomes especially useful?    ;)

Sure is John  :thumbsup:
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2021, 05:20:07 pm »
I found the 'How much caving were you able to do over the last 18 months?' question a little blunt. I gave a very rough average, maybe that's what was wanted? But the amount of caving I've done over that time has varied considerably. During lockdowns none, in-between lockdowns some and in the last couple of months I'm pretty much back to normal. So my answer doesn't reflect the amount of caving I'm currently doing.

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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2021, 09:20:44 pm »
Thanks for the replies, the caving Vs mine exploration you can put down to my unconscious bias as my own exploration is both (you can blame extended periods of time in Derbyshire and North Wales) and have a tendency to use cave rather than underground trips. It's a good point and one we'll try to take on board - I do get others to check these before they get sent out.

With regards to Huge's comment it is very fair, we just wanted a rough average and originally it was about 6 questions. The problem was each question didn't really get to the rough average answer and so we just ended up picking one. Would be really interested if people could suggest improvements to wording as that really does help.

Thanks to everyone so far for giving so much input, it will make for a good report!

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« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2021, 09:44:16 am »
Thanks for the replies, the caving Vs mine exploration you can put down to my unconscious bias as my own exploration is both (you can blame extended periods of time in Derbyshire and North Wales) and have a tendency to use cave rather than underground trips. It's a good point and one we'll try to take on board - I do get others to check these before they get sent out.

With regards to Huge's comment it is very fair, we just wanted a rough average and originally it was about 6 questions. The problem was each question didn't really get to the rough average answer and so we just ended up picking one. Would be really interested if people could suggest improvements to wording as that really does help.

Thanks to everyone so far for giving so much input, it will make for a good report!

Most of us I think ( well me at least...and I'm 99.9% mine explorer ) take "caving" in this context to be whatever we "do" underground or associated with it....caving, mine exploring, other underground exploration, quarries, socialising, club activities etc

Its only a snapshot in time so let's not criticise it too much  :)

I absolutely *hate* consumer surveys that I seem to get bombarded with every time I buy a packet of crisps or a light bulb or a washing machine or *anything* as they are merely marketing / spam tools... but what I do like is the "give your answer on a sliding scale of one to ten with one being SHITE and ten being EXCELLENT" type of answers.
Quick, flexible and very easy for the surveyor to collate large amounts of data very quickly and produce a bar chart / graph / venn diagram very quickly.
When all you want is a snapshot to produce a trend its the quickest way I reckon.


Ah, well, now, you see...erm...

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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2021, 09:56:15 am »
I would of liked to see a question along the lines of tick a box or multiple which you do . Caves ,mines etc and the survey was just for this, then you knew roughly the person that filled it in  and why they took part ,don’t no if this would of helped more ?

I come from a complicated path of starting out in what’s for some reason called urbex mine exploring more of along the lines of idiots I would call them now people who don’t understand the risks and do not take proper equipment, i purchased my bca originally for cal sites now I am glad to be a member of a amazing organisation , I am hoping to meet some new caver friends in the future, I met loads of very nice people on aditnow who have kept me alive in the dirty iron mines  :beer2:

Also I have brought some of my old skilful mine explorers on the correct path from the urbex world  and they also now purchase bca  :bounce:

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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2021, 11:03:19 am »


Also I have brought some of my old skilful mine explorers on the correct path from the urbex world  and they also now purchase bca  :bounce:


I hope they participate I little more than just "purchasing BCA" just to get them into certain places or thinking that they have their ar$$e$ covered...?

Ah, well, now, you see...erm...

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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2021, 11:49:55 am »
I hope they participate I little more than just "purchasing BCA" just to get them into certain places or thinking that they have their ar$$e$ covered...?

How do you mean Phil?, I am not sure what you mean.

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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2021, 11:55:34 am »
I hope they participate I little more than just "purchasing BCA" just to get them into certain places or thinking that they have their ar$$e$ covered...?

How do you mean Phil?, I am not sure what you mean.

Chris.


Chris I think Phil means to get young people more out and about as there are not many youngsters in our hobby ?

 Tom and his pals are all young .
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« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2021, 12:03:31 pm »
Post COVID my greatest difficulty in getting back to caving is being a care giver and not having the time or the fitness to get out much, and then mostly easy trips suitable for person I look after

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« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2021, 04:23:56 pm »
Post COVID my greatest difficulty in getting back to caving is being a care giver and not having the time or the fitness to get out much, and then mostly easy trips suitable for person I look after

Any trips are better than none   :thumbsup:
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« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2021, 05:26:43 pm »
Ref the last question of the survey.  It occurred to me that caving post covid might suffer a decline in interest similar to that which effected caving post Foot and Mouth.  Then there was a loss of impetus to cave in some quarters that resulted in some cavers packing it in for good.  I suspect a big effort to promote caving across all sectors is needed to breath some new blood into the sport and support for all those channels that bring folk in.

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« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2021, 05:27:33 pm »
Ref the last question of the survey.  It occurred to me that caving post covid might suffer a decline in interest similar to that which effected caving post Foot and Mouth.  Then there was a loss of impetus to cave in some quarters that resulted in some cavers packing it in for good.  I suspect a big effort to promote caving across all sectors is needed to breath some new blood into the sport and support for all those channels that bring folk in.

Good point ther bad boy    :clap2:
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