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Free rigging gear for cave projects
« on: January 27, 2017, 09:23:05 pm »
Free rigging gear for UK cave projects

Ukcaving has over 1.5km of 11mm rope to give away thanks to a generous benefactor.

Photo shows just a fraction of the rope on offer


We'd like to help out with any projects that need rope.  We have 150 krabs too.

Your project could be digging, diving, climbing, bolting, you tell us why you need some rope and we'll do our best to help.

All we ask is that you take responsibility for the rope especially in terms of safety and conservation

 Tell us about your project and we'll take it from there.  No strings attached

PM me or email ukcavemail@gmail.com  :thumbsup:
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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2017, 01:16:28 am »
Wow  :thumbsup:

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2017, 08:13:24 am »
Awesome, thanks to those who have organised this.

Shame it's 4 weeks late for our big HOG Mine project, but we'll definitely keep this offer in mind when we start our next one!
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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2017, 08:26:57 am »
Stonking!  :clap2:

Does the mysterious benefactor not want the advertising?

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2017, 12:20:49 pm »
Cool I best get thinking of a project.

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2017, 01:12:10 pm »
Sounds good.

That said I would be loathe to trust my life to  safety critical kit I did not know the history of.  Is the gear new or used?, what is its history?, is the history documented?

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2017, 01:22:57 pm »
Pretty much every time I go climbing, caving, diving, etc. etc. I trust my life to safety critical gear that I don't know the history of.

Every fixed line I've ever used, all the bolts I've ever clipped to  all the equipment my climbing partner carries, many's the time I've borrowed a regulator or stab vest from a diving partner.

I find that I trust myself to give a visual inspection to these items. Surely that's what most people do.

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2017, 01:41:19 pm »
Many thanks to ukCaving for supplying over 280m of brand spanking new, fully certified, straight out of the box, 11mm rope that is now rigged in the Rowter Hole extensions beyond the Ice Cream Trail and soon to be permanently rigged down the Eldon Hole West route.   

We should be grateful that some organisations are happy to support the caving community without having their name plastered all over the place.

Can we have another 100m to permanently rig the North route of Eldon Hole as well please to help the digging project?

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2017, 02:54:09 pm »
That looks like nice rope.

Can I get a name (PM is fine if they don't want publicity). I don't have a project, and others that need this rope should get it, but I will be after some soon for our general use, and I'd like to know what that is to compare it to my usual Marlowe 10.5mm.
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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2017, 03:16:27 pm »
Many thanks to ukCaving for supplying over 280m of brand spanking new, fully certified, straight out of the box, 11mm rope that is now rigged in the Rowter Hole extensions beyond the Ice Cream Trail and soon to be permanently rigged down the Eldon Hole West route.   

We should be grateful that some organisations are happy to support the caving community without having their name plastered all over the place.

Can we have another 100m to permanently rig the North route of Eldon Hole as well please to help the digging project?

Mark

Thanks Mark.  To echo the above, the rope is new, unused, clean, inspected, legit and certified.  It is a very common, tried and tested 11mm rope.  It is labelled and anyone who receives some will know exactly what it is.  Great to see UK caving projects getting support when often it is only expeditions who benefit from this sort of thing.

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2017, 06:50:24 pm »
we(ucet) have a 375ft shaft(north henblas) with 7 re-belay's that need new ropes. pleeeeese.
got through one dig(found some lovely wooden lounders) only to find another collapse. ha ho another dig  ::) ::)

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2017, 09:59:04 pm »
Dear all

Thanks for all the requests so far.  They all look worthy to me.  I hope there will be plenty of rope to go around.  I probably won't respond to these requests until the middle of the week but I have them all logged.  Thanks for your patience.

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2017, 10:45:02 pm »
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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2017, 11:31:14 pm »
If anything left we could do with 30m of rope to climb into the roof of Goyden 3 to look for high level series

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2017, 02:44:52 pm »
This would be great for replacing some of the fixed hand lines in the dales. some fixed lines in fall pot (ease gill) , mud hall (GG) and other lines like in Hagg gyll, calf holes, BPOW.


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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2017, 09:58:13 am »
I currently have a diving project in gaping Gill that could do with some rope. Inbetween the bottom of bar and the bottom of flood there is the scafolded hole which you step over - this drops  down to a pitch series leading to lost river chamber where there is a couple of sumps. I'm currently diving one of these sumps, and it's currently at -36m in large phreatic passage, which is clearly the main  passage of the water from fell beck to inglebrough cave, via deep well. Due to the depth and seriousness of this sump the next dive will need a considerable amount of equipment, so I'd like to permanently rig the pitch series  in order to make things easier in the future. It would require about 100m of rope and maybe 15 Krabs. Any help you guys could offer would go a long way.

See an article in decent called "finding the lost river" about 4 months ago for more details.

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2017, 11:23:32 am »
Hi im a keen caver and I would re rig Dismal hill as the rope is threaded in places and could use new line if possible this would open it up others to use I would like to ask  after seeing your post ref rope ect if it would be possible to have 100 mtrs of rope and 20 crabs to fix the 2 travers lines and the water fall pitch. I would completely rig both traverse lines and the water fall pitch hopfully encoraging more people into the cave system

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2017, 11:58:30 am »
Hi im a keen caver and I would re rig Dismal hill as the rope is threaded in places and could use new line if possible this would open it up others to use I would like to ask  after seeing your post ref rope ect if it would be possible to have 100 mtrs of rope and 20 crabs to fix the 2 travers lines and the water fall pitch. I would completely rig both traverse lines and the water fall pitch hopfully encoraging more people into the cave system

Many of the anchors are shot. I'm not sure that there would be any point unless all the anchors were replaced with resin anchors at the same time. And are the karabiners steel of aluminium alloy? I certainly wouldn't like to use aluminum alloy karabiners as permanent fixtures.

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2017, 01:00:46 pm »
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If anything left we could do with 30m of rope to climb into the roof of Goyden 3 to look for high level series

If you manage to drain the sump, you can have mine :)
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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2017, 02:51:10 pm »
Hi all

I've received about 20 requests for the rope so far and I shall be in touch with people shortly.  At this stage we are not offering the rope to replace fixed aids in caves although I appreciate these can be very useful.  It is intended to help people out on a UK caving project.  'Project' with a reasonably broad scope.  We feel that people rigging rope in caves for a project will be obliged to look after them in terms of removing them when worn out or when the project comes to an end.  It is difficult to get people to take a long term responsibility for fixed aids and consequently some end up in very poor condition.

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2017, 05:18:46 pm »
Can I have some free rope. I need about 8 meters, so I can tie the mrs up and go down the pub

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2017, 10:34:37 pm »
Can I have some free rope. I need about 8 meters, so I can tie the mrs up and go down the pub

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2017, 01:27:20 pm »
Hi all

I've now contacted all those who sent me a request for the rope.  All the 'project' requests pretty much got what they asked for and we only turned down requests for expeditions abroad and fixed aids.

Whilst I sort out the rope for collection and sneak in a quick caving trip abroad myself I'm going to put further requests on hold.  You may still send in a request but I'll just log them until I know how much is left etc.  May take a few weeks.

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2017, 03:35:36 pm »
Tim - that's for the free rope you promised me.  Unfortunately we now have a 30 m pitch to rig and having allocated the 80 m that is being couriered to Mendipshire we could do with some more...

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2017, 08:38:54 am »
I would like to thank Tim for giving us all the rope we requested plus enough carabineers' to rig 7re-belays'. Will put a trip report including photos as soon as  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2017, 08:41:09 pm »
Hi all

I am now back at cave base and have spent an enjoyable day measuring and packing up the rope for distribution to those who I have contacted.  If you've not already been in touch to arrange collection please do so.

There is not much rope left so do put in a request for consideration if you have a UK based project that would benefit from some free rope.

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2017, 09:30:50 pm »
Couldn't find the chopping board or knife earlier.....

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Re: Free rigging gear for cave projects
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2017, 08:36:18 pm »
Hi would it be possible to have 30m and a couple of carribinas to finally complete my mission into blacknor hole. Worth an ask.

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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2017, 02:43:16 pm »
thank you to uk caving and spanset uk for the length of rope for a project, 
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Here is where some of the rope went..
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2019, 12:48:35 pm »
I'm actually writing this to save time explaining to everyone how I got a scar on the bridge of my nose.  It is over two months since the incident and it is obvious that I'm marked for life.  Having written a book full of anecdotes in order to avoid having to repeat such tales in the pub, I'm putting my fingers to the keyboard to save valuable drinking time by referring interested parties to this post on UKcaving.  Spanset rope does feature.

First a bit of background...

In December 1975 Colin Edmunds (whilst searching for a way on beyond the (then) limit of exploration in Wookey Hole followed the walls of the large underwater passage that leads to Chamber 22 up into airspace in a large rift with no dry land.  The place was not visited again until the Summer of 1984 when Peter Glanvill and others (after looking at old dive reports) rediscovered the site and christened it “Edmunds Chamber” (or Rift) in honour of the original explorer.  Subsequent climbing operations (hampered by the fact that there is no dry land and the divers had to carefully de-kit and tie off their gear to lines hanging from bolts placed in the wall) reached the top of the 20 m high chamber and gained entry to an inclined bedding passage which ended at a dig.  They christened the passage “Beyond the Thunderdome” after the Mad Max film popular at the time.  John Cordingley, Russell Carter and Andrew Goddard were the last divers to record any exploration there in 1989 when they examined the dig – concluding that explosives would need to be used to make progress.
 
A new generation of cave divers took up the challenge in 2005, laboriously transporting scaffold poles and planks to establish a platform from which to recommence operations.  The climb to the top of the chamber was re-bolted until finally (after a lot of effort) the end was examined by one of the team, a local cave digger, who concluded: “this is not a viable dig site given the number of banging trips required to establish its worth.”

Roll on 2015, and the completion of an artificial tunnel linking Chamber 9 to Chamber 20.  This permitted non-divers to more closely examine areas previously not accessible to them.  A draughty area high up in the roof of the Lake Chamber in 20 was an obvious lead.  Alison Moody was able to pass a tight squeeze to gain new ground while Andrew Atkinson engineered a roomier (but still constricted) route over the top.  To their surprise they found footprints from previous visitors: they had re-entered Beyond the Thunderdome and found a dry route to Edmunds Chamber.  The high-level passage was surveyed but no-one descended the pitch to water level.

I was interested in the find as potentially there could be a dry way from Edmunds Chamber to Wookey 22.  I’d examined the connection several time on visits to 20 but it looked tight, so I resolved to do something about this.  Max Fisher and I went there on 21st February 2017 equipped for the job but we found it possible to pass the squeeze and (since we had brought SRT kit and rope) we became the first people to stand on the platform at water level in Edmunds Chamber without having to dive to get there.  We fired a charge on exit to break up the floor of the squeeze, but as I’d left my drill on the wrong side of the dig, I had to return a couple of days later to recover it and size up what more needed to be done to make it passable to someone of a larger frame – perhaps a diver wearing a wetsuit who might have been stranded beyond. Then I went on a skiing holiday…

On flying back to the UK from Geneva, I was pulled over by the security staff as my hand luggage had come up positive for chemicals on screening.  I’d been careful to put my luggage on the back seat of my car rather than in the boot where my caving gear had been.  There were a nervous few minutes before the guards decided that their machine had thrown up a false positive and I wasn’t required to undergo a search!

Work continued with the permission of the show Cave management with trips being made on Tuesday evenings when the cave was closed for tourists in the middle of the week over the winter period.  Pete Hall accompanied me on one of these trips and found another (lower) route out through the boulders into Wookey 20 from Beyond the Thunderdome with minimal effort.  The connection had been practically open all the time.  Once satisfied that the high-level connection could be passed by anyone (it was now hands-and-knees sized), Max Fisher and I did an exchange trip whereby I dived from Chamber 9 to Edmunds Chamber and met max who had come overland.  Max donned my diving gear and swam out while I prussiked up the pitch armed with a DistoX to survey the chamber and link it into the previous survey.  Having also surveyed the underwater route to Edmunds Chamber we now had a closed loop.  Disappointingly, the chamber runs parallel to Chamber 22 and there are no obvious leads to pursue towards forging a dry connection (which would potentially allow non-divers – or rather cavers prepared to free dive some short sumps – access to Chamber 24).  I returned later to de-rig the pitch and recover my rope. UKcaving had kindly donated some Spanset rope to rig the pitch, but this remained in my attic for until July 2019.

Having been given some stainless-steel bolts and hangers by Chris Binding to replace the rather ancient spits installed by previous visitors on the pitch Max and I returned to Edmunds Chamber on 11th July.  We carried two large bags each with drill, rope, hangers and an inflatable canoe.  I’d bought the canoe in Lidl and planned to use the craft in Edmunds Chamber for a spot of boating.  It turned out that I’d brought and oversized drill bit (14 mm) for the bolts, so we had to leave an empty hole in the only bit of decent rock left at the pitch head for filling with an anchor of the appropriate dimensions another time.  Rigging the rope off what we could find, Max and I made our way to the divers’ platform and inflated the canoe with a foot pump.   Unfortunately, the chamber is too narrow at this point to step into the boat sideways, so one had to hold onto the painter and enter it from the bow.

Max went first and leapt into the canoe gracefully doing a perfect impression of Yogic flying by landing on his knees.  Off he sailed into the gloom to the other end of the lake passing beneath a precariously wedged boulder which spans the rift.  After a modicum of paddling (it is possible to turn the canoe in the middle of the chamber where it is widest, Max returned, and it was my go.  Rather nervously (the water is 15 m deep here), I held the canoe by its mooring line and dived in, landing on my face.  My helmet slipped down over my nose and cut a gash in it.  Blood was everywhere as I lay in the boat.  Regaining composure, I paddled around – painfully aware of warm wet stuff flowing down my cheeks.  Max helped me out of the boat, and we climbed out.  To add insult to injury, my camp lamp went out and I had to exit using my back-up torch.  Events were recorded on film, and the bit where I face-plant the floor of the canoe is 37 s in.

The boat is still there and the pitch currently rigged – use both at your own risk.