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Re: Cave Rescue and Insurance in Wales.
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2020, 06:16:15 pm »
Clarifies things nicely. As stated above, no need to panic  :)
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Re: Cave Rescue and Insurance in Wales.
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2020, 06:45:25 pm »
During the fatal Curtain Pot rescue in June last year it was pointed out to those of us on the cavers list that we weren't insured.  We all continued regardless.  Before and since then CRO have been working hard to find a solution to the issue which they now seem to have done.  However for some other rescue organisations to comply they will have to make far bigger changes to their structures I reckon.

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Re: Cave Rescue and Insurance in Wales.
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2020, 09:23:16 pm »
I think I was once told (so treat this with skepticism) that the police _pay_ for some element of the insurance, but it is provided by a private insurance company via MREW. Some of this definitely relates to personal accident rather than liability cover; some teams have decided it is not acceptable to have people carrying out potentially dangerous rescues without personal accident cover and that is a point of view I understand. While individual cavers might not care, it's a team decision to accept help or not.

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Re: Cave Rescue and Insurance in Wales.
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2020, 09:28:18 am »
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During the fatal Curtain Pot rescue in June last year it was pointed out to those of us on the cavers list that we weren't insured.  We all continued regardless.  Before and since then CRO have been working hard to find a solution to the issue which they now seem to have done.  However for some other rescue organisations to comply they will have to make far bigger changes to their structures I reckon.

Good point, I forgot that was said and could have answered my own question. I assumed for that shout I would be insured because I am with UWFRA anyway (not like it would have made a difference to me), but as it's a different team's shout. I must admit I am not 100% sure how the insurance works in that situation, I would go out on a limb and say 99% chance I was insured being a full team member, although a different team.
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Re: Cave Rescue and Insurance in Wales.
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2020, 03:01:21 pm »
So from what I can make out from the above:

CRO last June were telling ordinary cavers that they were not insured on the Curtain Pot incident.
SMWCRT have now said ordinary cavers are not insured on incidents
MCR have said no change to the status quo.

So my question is what is the status quo for incidents where MCR is involved?

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Re: Cave Rescue and Insurance in Wales.
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2020, 05:44:49 pm »
Don't quote me on it John, but I believe MCR insurance runs until October,  so co-opted volunteers are covered by this until then.

In addition,  the police provide 3rd party cover to anyone helping in a rescue.
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Re: Cave Rescue and Insurance in Wales.
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2020, 08:32:26 pm »
They are all insured third party, the question is whether personal accident applies now (& whether either will on renewal)...

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Re: Cave Rescue and Insurance in Wales.
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2020, 08:44:33 pm »
John, you might have more response if you ask on the MCR facebook page.

Rumour is they are setting up a database of some sort.
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