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Title: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: ZombieCake on October 07, 2020, 12:34:21 am
There are many things you shouldn't tread on. Lego pieces are probably the most well known to be best avoided, closely followed by regional access policies.
Anyway, I had a great idea of restoring, well, bringing up to speed an old outboard engine as there's not much to do since the world ended.  So I bought the various oils etc. Marine oils are different from normal oils because of the marketing and composition and price.
The thing about toothpaste is that comes in tubes and if you squeeze it hard enough it spurts everywhere.  The same principle applies to Mercury gearbox oil.  I put the oily stuff, with some other metal stuff, in the hall to move to the shed later.  Unfortunately,  I then inadvertently trod on the very large toothpaste tube of gear oil while bringing in shopping and it went everywhere.  Fortunately I have laminate flooring so wasn't too bad to mop up.
Thing is that the marine gear oil actually doesn't smell that bad, and way better than those horrible scented candles that give you a coughing fit each time they're lit.
Oh well, any other confessions of daftness?
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: pwhole on October 07, 2020, 01:02:33 am
I accidentally trod on a steel HMS krab on a concrete floor in bare feet, five minutes before setting off on a long trip into Speedwell two summers ago. My foot was large and purple when I got back, and by the next day I was in sufficient pain for a friend to make me go to the hospital, whereupon I discovered I'd broken a bone. Lovely. I was warned it would take at least three months to heal properly but I ended up caving again in about three weeks, albeit with a limp. And prussicking was miserable for months. It seems OK now though.
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: Pegasus on October 07, 2020, 08:31:28 am
Note to my horse not to tread on my foot, 'cos when he does it blummin well hurts!
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Post by: Ed W on October 07, 2020, 09:01:05 am
I can sympathise with Pegasus having my other half's 16.1 Irish Draft / thoroughbred cross treading on my foot.  The yell woke up half the village.

At the other end of the scale I came within a hair's breadth of stepping on a Diamond Back Rattle Snake in a cave in Mexico.
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: JoshW on October 07, 2020, 09:56:25 am
when cleaning off your bike cassette be careful not to stand on the thick oily residue and walk it through the house, it doesn't make you very popular with the home owner.
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: Roger W on October 07, 2020, 10:33:12 am
Cat poop.
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Post by: RobinGriffiths on October 07, 2020, 11:07:00 am
Integrated circuits. Had to prize one of these off my foot with a screwdriver once.

(https://uk.farnell.com/productimages/standard/en_GB/GE8DIP-40.jpg)
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: Pegasus on October 07, 2020, 11:20:08 am
I can sympathise with Pegasus having my other half's 16.1 Irish Draft / thoroughbred cross treading on my foot.  The yell woke up half the village.

At the other end of the scale I came within a hair's breadth of stepping on a Diamond Back Rattle Snake in a cave in Mexico.

Tim nearly stood on a rattle snake once in Copper Canyon, Mexico!  In the middle of nowhere, makes me shudder to think about it  :o
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: Fulk on October 07, 2020, 11:23:06 am
(My answer): A stingray.

(Miranda's answer): A dead mouse lurking in your shoe.
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: JoshW on October 07, 2020, 12:04:06 pm
Ahh I (think*) I stood on a sea urchin on a lads holiday years back. Was picking bits of spine out my toe for weeks.

* I may have consumed an above average number of units of alcohol that evening/night/morning
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: Fulk on October 07, 2020, 03:30:38 pm
I once got sea-urchin spines in the back of my hand, and the staff of the hotel where I was staying were full of bright ideas as to how to deal with this. The first suggestion was to get a bowl of oil, dip a wick in it, set fire to the wick and slap the back of my hand with it. He tried this and, glancing at my face, said ‘Hey, did that hurt?’; so there was I thinking ‘’Course it **†~§¶ did’. Meanwhile, someone suggested that I slather lemon juice on it, on the grounds that it was acidic, but was contradicted by someone else who said, ‘No, you need ammonia, ’cos that’s alkaline’. Then someone came up with what sounded like much more promising treatment: ‘You’ve got to drink lots of beer . . .  then piss all over your hand; that’ll neutralize it.’

By the time we’d tried all of these (except peeing on my hand) the spines had all fallen out, and the pain had gone. Of course, the guys all tried to take credit for ‘their’ cure!
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: JoshW on October 07, 2020, 04:36:43 pm
I once got sea-urchin spines in the back of my hand, and the staff of the hotel where I was staying were full of bright ideas as to how to deal with this. The first suggestion was to get a bowl of oil, dip a wick in it, set fire to the wick and slap the back of my hand with it. He tried this and, glancing at my face, said ‘Hey, did that hurt?’; so there was I thinking ‘’Course it **†~§¶ did’. Meanwhile, someone suggested that I slather lemon juice on it, on the grounds that it was acidic, but was contradicted by someone else who said, ‘No, you need ammonia, ’cos that’s alkaline’. Then someone came up with what sounded like much more promising treatment: ‘You’ve got to drink lots of beer . . .  then piss all over your hand; that’ll neutralize it.’

By the time we’d tried all of these (except peeing on my hand) the spines had all fallen out, and the pain had gone. Of course, the guys all tried to take credit for ‘their’ cure!

I don't know for sure it was sea urchin, but I remember being in the sea, and then I woke up with a lot of pain in my toe, due to having a load of little black spines embedded in it.

Beer definitely removed the pain the following day.
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: Pitlamp on October 07, 2020, 05:11:33 pm
I'm surprised no-one's mentioned "rope".  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: mikem on October 07, 2020, 05:22:23 pm
Johnny Dawes wipes his feet on his in Stone Monkey...
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: Pitlamp on October 07, 2020, 05:34:32 pm
Great film that - especially the footage of The Quarryman set to an instrumental Zappa track.

Then again, I suppose his rope hadn't been injected with gritty mud like those used by us potholers.
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: mikem on October 07, 2020, 05:40:12 pm
After some of the whippers he took it was probably the best use for it!
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Post by: Pitlamp on October 07, 2020, 06:05:47 pm
 :lol:    :clap2:
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: Fjell on October 07, 2020, 07:46:35 pm
You’ll probably only do it once.
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: Fulk on October 07, 2020, 09:50:45 pm
What's that? Lion Fish? Puffer Fish?
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: Fjell on October 07, 2020, 10:37:45 pm
What's that? Lion Fish? Puffer Fish?

Stone Fish. This is a Lion - taken a few metres away in fact if I recall. Not to be messed with either really.

It's a reef off Miri, so the water is always a bit hazy because of all the river outflow etc. These ones also collect rubbish, so they need cleaning trips. Always interesting picking up bits of rubbish when these guys are bobbing about.
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: Fjell on October 07, 2020, 10:48:12 pm
What's that? Lion Fish? Puffer Fish?

Stone Fish. This is a Lion - taken a few metres away in fact if I recall. Not to be messed with either really.

Or him now you mention it, just above the others.
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: Pitlamp on October 08, 2020, 08:33:13 am
. . . and folk say sea diving is safer than cave diving . . .   :shrug:
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: JoshW on October 08, 2020, 09:41:05 am
What's that? Lion Fish? Puffer Fish?

Stone Fish. This is a Lion - taken a few metres away in fact if I recall. Not to be messed with either really.

Or him now you mention it, just above the others.
(https://i0.wp.com/arnoldzwicky.s3.amazonaws.com/MorayHeel.jpg?zoom=2)
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: Leclused on October 08, 2020, 10:46:22 am
Popcorn concretions while walking on your socks trying to conservate the cave floor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_popcorn
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: wellyjen on October 08, 2020, 03:39:50 pm
UK 3 pin domestic plugs. Pin side up, more painful than lego.
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: mrodoc on October 08, 2020, 04:52:20 pm
Right, this is a bit of medical advice derived from personal experience. I had seen it recommended previously. Some years ago we went to Lanzarote for a week's holiday. The weather was awful when we arrived - gales and pouring rain.  After 2 days it cleared and we were desperate to have a dip in the sea.  Went to a beach at Papapgayo where I plunged in and swam out to the rock in the middle of the bay. I forgot to wear wet suit boottees as I normally do in these places. I turned for shore and kicked out on the rock. Unfortunately there were several Diadema urchins occupying the space my feet hit.  It hurt a bit! As I swam back I had time to contemplate how I was going to handle this and I remembered that during preparations for a talk I gave years before at the RGS, a medical textbook had advised a particular strategy. Angie (my wife) was rather surprised to see me emerge from the water yelling then proceeding to beat the soles of both feet with a flattened pebble. That hurt too. After a session of self flagellation I limped back to her, got dressed, hobbled back to the hire car and we returned to Puerto del Carmen. Here I liberally applied Betadine paint to the soles of my feet, we went out to eat (and consume plenty of alcohol on my part). By the next morning I was walking normally and virtually pain free. There were about 30 spines in my feet and the black specks took weeks to disappear but gave me no problem.

Henceforth my advice has been that when spiked by an urchin, pummel the affected area until the spikes are well fragmented allowing the body to digest them. Applying iodine at the time is probably worthwhile as well.
 I don't think it works with plugs or cat poo by the way.
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: Fulk on October 08, 2020, 05:40:51 pm
Papapgayo – that'd be the nudist beach, huh?
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: mrodoc on October 08, 2020, 06:35:59 pm
Used to be. More clothed than unclothed in recent years since they improved the road
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: Laurie on October 09, 2020, 11:59:57 am
Up turned crown tops from beer bottles. (Frequently infesting caving club floors.)
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Post by: PeteHall on October 09, 2020, 12:06:56 pm
Nothing worse than treading on a slug with bare feet!  :yucky:
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: Fishes on October 09, 2020, 12:23:59 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_p4VwHQ9AM
Title: Re: Things you shouldn't tread on
Post by: paul on October 09, 2020, 12:35:00 pm
While on a winter traverse of Crib Goch years ago during awful conditions, I went to step down onto a small ledge and luckily paused. During a short clearing in the snow blowing all around, I realised the "ledge" was actually somewhere down in the bottom of Llanberis Pass and quickly stopped before stepping down...