Caving Wiki
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Cave_Troll
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well what i meant was i don;t think we can just copy bits from other books / websites
intelectual property rights and all that
intelectual property rights and all that
Cave_Troll
Active member
We need to work out a template for caves as well.
take a look at http://ukcaving.com/wiki/index.php/Crematorium_Pot
Status : DIG / Part show/ part mine etc
Grid Reference : preferably done by someone going to the entrance with a GPS then linked to multimap
Entrance Photo : Entrance Photo
Access : who to call and how much they charge
Description: including photos and pitch lenghts but I'm wary of adding pitch topos as i don't want to steal trade from the regional P Hanger topos
History: description of history of exploration etc
References: where this info came from
Rigging topo : eg CCPC rigging topo to the Peak district. Edition 9 page 14
Page location : in this case "Derbyshire \ Bradwell \ Crematorium Pot" this lets you navigate back up more easily
currently can't work out how to add photos and do ref s properly
take a look at http://ukcaving.com/wiki/index.php/Crematorium_Pot
Status : DIG / Part show/ part mine etc
Grid Reference : preferably done by someone going to the entrance with a GPS then linked to multimap
Entrance Photo : Entrance Photo
Access : who to call and how much they charge
Description: including photos and pitch lenghts but I'm wary of adding pitch topos as i don't want to steal trade from the regional P Hanger topos
History: description of history of exploration etc
References: where this info came from
Rigging topo : eg CCPC rigging topo to the Peak district. Edition 9 page 14
Page location : in this case "Derbyshire \ Bradwell \ Crematorium Pot" this lets you navigate back up more easily
currently can't work out how to add photos and do ref s properly
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andymorgan
Guest
Cave_Troll said:
Can we copy lists of caves, for example from the CSCC website? Can those involved in CSCC help here?
Cave_Troll
Active member
indeed, must admit not met that before...
pick a project, any project.
One of my bugbears is the whole "my online guide is better than your online guide" arhuments
technology moves on and that site, to be frank, looks a little dated, although it seems to be functional.
who know how dated the wiki interface will look in 5 years?
pick a project, any project.
One of my bugbears is the whole "my online guide is better than your online guide" arhuments
technology moves on and that site, to be frank, looks a little dated, although it seems to be functional.
who know how dated the wiki interface will look in 5 years?
Rhys
Moderator
I don't think we should aim to create yet another cave registry/database or worry too much about imposing a strict format for pages. It's a wiki. People will just put up info about sites or topics they have a particular interest in, as and when they feel like it or have the time.Cave_Troll said:
Rhys
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mudman
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Cave_Troll said:
Wasn't my intention, I just wanted to say, 'Been there, done that'.
It does look dated although it does still work. It even gets updated every now and then and Google does rank it first if you search for 'cave database'.
Due to a combination of circumstances, I've sort of let it lie for a long time now. I did have quite a few ideas that I was going to implement and fix a few areas as, quite frankly, some of the way it works is a bit crappy. One of the reasons was the general apathy that goes around with this sort of thing so I couldn't see the point.
I think Rhys is correct in that you should try to avoid another registry. The time and work involved in setting up and maintaining it is quite considerable. I tend to think that it's better left to the various regional registrars, who are all off doing their own versions anyway.
I'd like to see a sort of caving encyclopedia with loads of articles and information on caving.
Cave_Troll
Active member
Guidebooks: definitive guides. paper is still the best medium for flicking through when you're in bed/in the hut/in the car trying to decide what cave to do, or in the carpark looking up rope lengths. BUT they are prone to getting out of date and also have periods when they are out of print and unavailable
Local Cave databases: definitive guides kept up to date by local activsts. BUT not normally accessible and so tend to be hard to look up the latest extensions to a certain cave.
web guidbook: can be kept up to date and publically accessible. BUT discussions start about "why start up another one" and the owner may well get bored with updating.
Wiki or open access database: takes the onus off one person and any updates can be done by the community. Has the possibility to become a "selected caves of xxxx" as hopefully people will write up trip reports of the caves they do or digs they are involed in
Local Cave databases: definitive guides kept up to date by local activsts. BUT not normally accessible and so tend to be hard to look up the latest extensions to a certain cave.
web guidbook: can be kept up to date and publically accessible. BUT discussions start about "why start up another one" and the owner may well get bored with updating.
Wiki or open access database: takes the onus off one person and any updates can be done by the community. Has the possibility to become a "selected caves of xxxx" as hopefully people will write up trip reports of the caves they do or digs they are involed in
Peter Burgess
New member
What happens if person A posts up something that person B doesn't agree with? Perhaps dangerous or misleading advice? If person B then changes it to what he wants to see, and then person A takes exception, would it not rather defeat the purpose of the wiki? Or am I missing something here?
Another scenario - details are posted up which may be correct, but their publication might seriously jeopardise access which has only been granted on a 'no publicity' basis. Whose responsibility is it to do something? As I understand it, you can't just delete someone else's contribution and older versions of a page remain on view.
If the wiki is effectively 'open access', is there not a risk of a free for all, resulting in more confusion and aggravation than clarification and responsible publicity.
I'm prepared to be shot down.
Cave_Troll
Active member
you can't but if someone else does delete your data, most people probably won't flick through the history of every page in case there's somethign juicy.Peter Burgess said:
From a censorship point of view its better than old style newsgroups and people posting on their personal webpages.
I think, and i may be wrong, that its rare that someone posts details that other people don't want. Normally, its "we've found 500m of cave but we can't tell you where it is as we've not sorted access yet"
Peter Burgess
New member
We might have a wiki war on our hands!
