Caving Wiki
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Cave_Troll
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bubba said:
Can someone translate this for me ?
Cave_Troll
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I'll be taking some entrance photos this weekend, I'll also take some pics of Hitch n HikeRhys said:
bubba
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Cave_Troll said:
Sorry - Joomla is a Content Management System. It will be used to manage the main pages of ukCaving. (In fact, the wiki is also a CMS, but a very specific one).
When I say it was branched from Mambo, I mean: Mambo is another CMS from which Joomla originally grew, but is now a seperate system.
When I say beta, I mean the Joomla software isn't a full release yet - beta versions are usually relatively stable, but will still have bugs and other issues that need fixing before it's released into the public domain.
The stages of software release usually go alpha --> beta --> release candidatem --> final release. If you look at the bottom of this page, you'll see that the forum software is "1.1 RC3" which just means the 3rd Release Candidate. The next iteration of the forum software will be 1.1 final.
When I talk about integrated logins, what I mean is that a user only needs one username/password and only needs to login once in order to have access to the forums, the gallery, the CMS and the wiki.
Hope that helps!
paul
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c**tplaces said:
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maybe there is space for both if one tries to be the definitive reference, and the other becomes "selected caves guide" type thing...[/quote]
In order for an online database to work effectively there must be only one (or at least one per caving region) otherwise the information will never be complete - or even worse not in agreement.
You can still have extracts from the central database, say most popular caves, larger systems, etc. along the lines of "Selected Caves".
As an analogy, there is already a huge amount of infomation on caves, digs, etc in Caving Club newsletters, periodicals and other publications. How easy is it to find information on one particular cave unless you happen to have the reference to a specific publication?
Take for example Owl Hole in Derbyshire (I know it isn't a lage system (at present!) but it is important as it adds to the knowledge of the hydrology of the Dowall Dale area. It is listed as "lost" in the last issue of "Caves of the Peak District" but has been extended significantly in the last few years. That information is currently on in Caving Club log books and newsletters - so not easily found BUT is also the Peak Cave Registry as the details were sent to John Beck.
Cave_Troll
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Its ok, John's immortal.
paul
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SamT said:
The point I'm making isn't that John Beck is maintaining the Cave Resgistry, it is that there is a central database for the Peak and most cavers know about it. It doesn't matter who is maintaining it, what matters is that there is a single resource.
Obviously of an individual no longer continues to maintain the information it will become out of date and probably lost. There's no reason to suspect that this will happen with the Peak Cave Cave Registry - I'm sure that there are more than enough willing volunteers to take u[ the cause if it is needed in the future for whatever reason.
If you have many resources to be kept up to date, you simply either have duplication of effort or many disparate collections of information.
Look at the pages and pages and pages of information on the World Wide Web on many subjects - it maybe possible to find what you are looking for using Google, but finding specific, detailed, up to date information which is also correct is not as easy as most people imagine...
Cave_Troll
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historically this is the problem with websites, they tend to fall out of being maintained.
Wikis hope to avoid that trap
Wikis hope to avoid that trap
paul
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Cave_Troll said:
Yes Wikis do help in keeping things up to date - we use one at work as a central location for putting up tips and useful information.
The media used is not the pooint I'm concerned about.
If you have many Wikis (or any other method) - which one should you update? Surely you don't propose repeating the same information over and over on different websites and then have to re-visit each one each time there is a change?
bubba
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The only reason I started this wiki is because we have a fairly active, uk-wide community of cavers on this board. I know it's still fairly small but it is growing all the time.
Hopefully this will continue and the wiki will be a valid resource. If it turns out that it becomes only occasionally updated, or is just one of many similar resources, then it can be taken down.
Hopefully this will continue and the wiki will be a valid resource. If it turns out that it becomes only occasionally updated, or is just one of many similar resources, then it can be taken down.
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andymorgan
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Cave_Troll said:
Did you work out how to upload pics? I have some cave entrance pics I want to add too.
bubba said:
I would add more, if I know it wont all be deleted as it is experimental. When will the playing stop, and the real thing start!
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andymorgan
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Cheers Bubba.
I think this Wiki is an excellent addition by you.
In response to Paul, ok there is a cave registry for the Peak, and none for other areas. None are published online yet, and I doubt if some ever will. Like Rhys said if people want to make a registry type section let them get on with it. This Wiki will never claim to be a definitive reference. However if bits are missing people know about then they can add them on, many hands make light work etc..
I think this Wiki is an excellent addition by you.
In response to Paul, ok there is a cave registry for the Peak, and none for other areas. None are published online yet, and I doubt if some ever will. Like Rhys said if people want to make a registry type section let them get on with it. This Wiki will never claim to be a definitive reference. However if bits are missing people know about then they can add them on, many hands make light work etc..
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mudman
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bubba said:
I think it's a great idea and hopefully it will take off.
The fact that people can update the site with articles and pictures and the like mean that people are more likely to add stuff to it.
It would be an ideal place for clubs and individuals to upload anything they wish to publish but lack the webspace to do it.
